tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5501578761718800303.post6570403472365918607..comments2022-05-16T05:54:36.039-04:00Comments on Talking Points, Meta: Real Time With Bill Maher: Counterpoints and Retrospective (10/26/12)rapier7http://www.blogger.com/profile/07734542594754572266noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5501578761718800303.post-84864576239065269402012-10-27T15:40:33.827-04:002012-10-27T15:40:33.827-04:00Oh, and just for disclosure, I am white.Oh, and just for disclosure, I am white.cfkanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336034103933657669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5501578761718800303.post-8114671716586718052012-10-27T15:38:18.796-04:002012-10-27T15:38:18.796-04:00Not completely. Perhaps it is predominately socioe...Not completely. Perhaps it is predominately socioeconomic in MA and even in TX, but I assure you in AL it is predominately about race, with socioeconomic secondary factors. In the part of Alabama I grew up in there is a lot of poverty among whites and blacks, but whites are more likely to assume that a black person gets government assistance simply because of skin color and would be likely to believe that a black person who appears affluent is spending his welfare money on bling instead of supporting his kids. There is a reason those images from the 60's of white cops with hoses and billy clubs beating up blacks are from the South. Racist feelings against blacks is deeply ingrained there. So much so that people don't even realize it, (whites anyway). In Alabama Obama could walk on water, end hunger as we know it, and raise the dead and a large number of white Southerners would not vote for him even then because he is black. So I would still say that, at least in the South, race is the primary factor. <br /><br /> We like to believe that over time racial prejudice is fading from generation to generation, and perhaps it has, but it is still there and it gets passed on from parent to child. Sad really. cfkanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336034103933657669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5501578761718800303.post-27977481544230689832012-10-27T02:42:44.422-04:002012-10-27T02:42:44.422-04:00Doesn't that support my point? If a guy in MA ...Doesn't that support my point? If a guy in MA thinks of white trash, a guy in AL thinks of a black guy, and a guy in TX thinks of a Hispanic guy, that suggests the predominant prejudice socioeconomic rather than racial. <br /><br />In other words, if 3 different people think of 3 different stereotypes when thinking about those on welfare, they're using what's readily apparent to them and not some preconceived notion on race.<br /><br />I don't mean to say that racism plays no factor. But it simply isn't the primary factor.rapier7https://www.blogger.com/profile/07734542594754572266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5501578761718800303.post-33163691797733081072012-10-27T02:12:28.597-04:002012-10-27T02:12:28.597-04:00Jay, you wrote:
"So for the TEA partier in ...Jay, you wrote:<br /><br /> "So for the TEA partier in a predominantly white suburb, they're not thinking about some black guy on the public dole, they're probably thinking about white trash on the public dole. It's not the most politically correct defense of racial prejudice (seeing as it's instead class prejudice), but that is what I legitimately believe."<br /><br />While I do believe that there is classism, (and I think the Left are guiltier of using class warfare than the right), I must point out one aspect that you did not address, and that is geography. If the TEA partier is in Massachusetts, (where I live), or Montana, you are right, they are likely picturing "white trash" on the dole. If they are in Alabama, (where I was born), or Tennessee, they are most assuredly thinking of black people. If They are in Texas it is likely to be Latino. While racism may not be the sole or even dominant factor in this, I have no doubt in many parts of the country it plays a significant role.cfkanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336034103933657669noreply@blogger.com